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Subject: Re: wasting bandwidth From: pit <pit@icf.de> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 03:52:25 METDST * * * * * dia <diana@dial.isys.hu> wrote: >>question is, do we really need all this bandwidth and for what? >>sure its nice to have a live-stream online, but who listens? >>are there any statistics available? so there is the http://www.icf.de/hws-bin/nph-logger now.. where you can watch for 5 minutes who's in at icf.de - may be boring but for some it is like TV.. >>> the bandwidth problem only arise if you really transmit things >>> over the network. like push things ... so do we really want all that bandwidth - 4 what? for which kind of content? isn't it like with the cars and the traffic in the 70ies? there is a meta-discussion, a poor media metaphor of a libidinal economy i guess, bandwidth may represent the 'full flow', unalienated pleasure..., but this is old-fashioned reading. there is bandwidth scarcity and there are also development programs in the periphery of the net. AT&T wiring Africa... but these contradictions, the irony of 'wanting bandwidth' are productive ones for the WAAG group, how they transfer and relate to the other groups? (+ will someone read this message in a local newsgroup and answer me again?) >> like big Java applets... for 'weak Java clients', it reminds me to the euphoria around BASIC back in the 80ies. can we have our BBS systems back, please? what we may need are new ideas for system architectures, more experiments with the narrations maybe then believing into the inner values of (pure) content. >> the context you cannot say anything about the context, right? with synthesisers, the architecture of a cuircuit becomes in a way listenable, even if you don't know how it works. how to apply that to other kind of networks? how can you make an office space compared sounding like a pub? > Sure, but the context goes beyond the machines- the net is at >least part of the context of anything that goes over it. >I don't care about what machines people are using - a social apperatus, a schedule, can get organised like a machine.. and when it comes to sound, like a voice, i think one can 'hear' it. maybe more then seeing it. maybe that's part of what PL Wilson calls Hermetic Criticism, a sense of context, not a taste, feeling how much content is determinded by context, how much it is resonating, reflecting, becoming something different. like, how does the bandwidth question affect the recycling the future program. >But I have a bad phone line and worse radio in Bp- too bad, so one has to find other ways, like realaudio-ftp-mail. for the live-streams, there is some rare but good stuff, and we need much more of it. i think sooner or later, the copyright restrictions will it make impossible to net-cast on a low scale and hi content quality. there are already masses of shit channels on the net, automatic realaudio advertisment.. see www.timecast.com on the other hand there is a growing Warez and cracker scene, with broad Mpeg3 ftp-sites and search engines where you can exchange actual chart hits in near CD quality. it is really a question what you do with your bandwith, and i think thomax@icf.de questions are worth the discussion here. (i wish i could x-post to we_want_bandwidth@worspace.icf.de ) > So give me bandwidth and ra so I can listen to something good > for a change! The livestream is interesting anyway- but difficult > in my net context... worth to try it, i don't believe that isys-budapest is much slower then hybrid-workspace, and it may become illegal or boring soon.. _____________________________________________________________________ non commercial, tactical, independent & alternative near live audio streams -> please write to pit@icf.de to update http://www.station.ru/106_8_live_broadcast.ram http://http://www.c3.hu/para/970723_8/970723_8.ram http://207.173.52.9/interface.ram http://www.pseudo.com/netcast/shows/adirt/archives/ http://www.stg.brown.edu/~maurice/algo.ram http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/lexson-online_CGI.html http://www.am1470.com/live.ram http://www.xs4all.nl/~opennet/audio/live_feed.ram http://www.namber.demon.co.uk/danceparade.rm http://www.icf.de/cgi-bin/RIS/ris-randio http://www.parks.lv/home/E-LAB/OZOne/xchange/xch_fr.html ____________________________________________________________________ i think all of them are better then the quite boring and redundant art-science-experiment which is getting broadcasted for about 20 hours a day. ******